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Here's what you need to know about switching a traditional IRA to Roth now that the income limit has disappeared.

By Kimberly Lankford, Contributing Editor, Kiplinger's Personal Finance

January 20, 2010
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I've been getting a ton of questions from readers about the new Roth IRA conversion rules that took effect this year. Now anyone can convert his or her traditional IRA to a Roth regardless of their income. (Before 2010, you could not make the switch if your adjusted gross income was more than $100,000, whether married or single.) To help you understand how the new rules work, here are the answers to several key questions I've received.

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How do I go about converting my traditional IRA to a Roth now that it's 2010?

Anticipating a slew of conversions, most IRA administrators will make it easy for you to convert your traditional IRA to a Roth. Some (including Fidelity, Vanguard and T. Rowe Price) also offer handy tools on their Web sites to help you calculate your tax bill before you make the switch. Also see our Should I Convert My IRA Into a Roth IRA? calculator.

If you're sticking with the same IRA sponsor -- moving money from a Vanguard traditional IRA to a Vanguard Roth, for example -- you can probably do the deed on-line within a few minutes. You'll open a Roth and simply move all or any part of your assets from the old IRA to the new one. You'll be asked if you want taxes withheld from the amount you move to the Roth. (Remember, moving money from a traditional IRA to a Roth triggers a tax bill on the full amount, unless you’ve made nondeductible contributions to the traditional account, in which case part of the conversion is tax-free.) It’s best to say "no to withholding and pay the bill with non-IRA funds. If you dip into the IRA to satisfy the IRS, you'll owe tax on that amount, too, in addition to the funds you're moving to the Roth. And, if you're younger than 59 1/2, you'll also be slapped with a 10% penalty on the money used to pay the tax bill.

If you’re switching your IRA from one mutual fund company, brokerage firm or bank to another, things are a little – but just a little – trickier. You'll fill out most of the paperwork with the new IRA administrator, which can walk you through the process. But it's a good idea to give the old firm a heads up so that the transaction will go smoothly.

Taxes on conversions

How do you calculate how much money will be taxed when you make the conversion?

The calculation is easy if you've made only tax-deductible contributions. In that case, you'll have to pay taxes on the entire balance when you convert a traditional IRA to a Roth IRA. But the money can grow tax-free after that (see Why You Need a Roth IRA for details). If you've made both tax-deductible and nondeductible contributions to your traditional IRAs, then your tax bill will be based on the ratio of nondeductible contributions to the total balance in all of your traditional IRAs. If your total balance is $100,000, for example, of which $20,000 represents nondeductible contributions, then 20% of any conversion would be tax-free.

When do you have to pay the tax bill?

If you convert your traditional IRA to a Roth in 2010, you can spread the tax bill over two years. You report the first half of the conversion on your 2011 tax return (which you file by April 15, 2012) and the balance on your 2012 return. If you're moving a large amount of money, however, you may want to start making quarterly estimated tax payments in 2011 to avoid an underpayment penalty.

The income limit for Roth IRA conversions is permanently eliminated, but the special opportunity to spread the tax bill over two years applies only to conversions made in 2010.

Conversions are most valuable if you don't have to tap the IRA for cash to pay the taxes. So even though you have a while before the taxes are due on the conversion, you may want to start setting aside some money over the next year or so to cover the tax bill.

What happens if you convert the traditional IRA to a Roth but then discover you don't have enough money to pay the tax bill? Or what if the account goes down in value after you make the switch?

You'll get a chance to change your mind. If you roll over your traditional IRA to a Roth in 2010, then you'll have until October 15, 2011, to "recharacterize" your conversion and switch the account back to a traditional IRA. You can then reconvert the traditional IRA to a Roth later -- you must wait at least 30 days and until the beginning of the calendar year after the year of the orginal conversion to convert it again. You may end up with a smaller tax bill if your account value has shrunk since your original conversion. For more information, see Undoing a Roth Conversion.

Can I convert just some of the money in my IRAs?

You can convert as little or as much as you want. As noted earlier, the tax on amounts converted in 2010 can be paid 50/50 with your 2011 and 2012 tax returns. You can spread the tax bill on conversions over any number of tax years that you spread the conversions over. Converting $100,000 to a Roth via ten, $10,000 annual conversions would spread the tax bill over ten years. Just remember that the sooner your money is in the Roth, the sooner earnings are tax-free instead of just tax-deferred.

Am I required spread the tax payment on a conversion over my 2011 and 2012 returns, or can I include the income on my 2010 return?

You have the option of including all of the conversion income in 2010. This could be a good idea if you're a high earner because the top income-tax brackets are set to rise after 2010, says says Rande Spiegelman, vice-president of financial planning for the Schwab Center for Financial Research (see Lots of Tax Hikes Coming in 2011 for more information).

But it's not a simple decision, he says, because including all the income on your 2010 return will increase your adjusted gross income and could affect your eligibility for other tax breaks that have maximum income limits. Plus, your tax bracket could also be bumped to a higher level if you include all of the income in one year instead of over two years-and, if you're older than 65, you might have to pay higher Medicare Part B premiums if your income is above the limit for paying a Part B surcharge. (In 2010, the surcharge applies to individuals with a modified adjusted gross income of more than $85,000 and married couples with a modified AGI of $170,000 or more.)

In your column in the January 2010 issue of Kiplinger's,you stated that "if you already have a traditional IRA, you can't simply put $5,000 into a nondeductible IRA and then move it tax-free to a Roth." Please explain again. I had contributed to a deductible IRA for many years, then stopped putting money into that account when I was no longer eligible for the deduction. I make too much money to contribute to a Roth, but I have been contributing to a nondeductible IRA for many years. I want to convert all of this into a Roth in 2010. I also want to contribute to the nondeductible IRA in 2010 and convert it into a Roth because I make too much to contribute directly to a Roth. Why can’t I do this in 2010? My wife is in the same predicament.

Now that it's 2010, you can convert your traditional IRAs to a Roth regardless of your income. What I was referring to was the tax treatment of the conversion -- if some of your IRA contributions have been tax-deductible and some have been nondeductible, you can’t just cherry-pick the nondeductible contributions to convert and avoid paying taxes.

Instead, the amount taxable on the conversion is based on the ratio of nondeductible contributions to the total balance in all of your traditional IRA accounts. If you have $10,000 in nondeductible contributions, for example, and the total balance is $12,000, then 83% of any conversion would be tax-free.

Income limits

I know that the income limits for converting a traditional IRA to a Roth will be eliminated in 2010. But will the income limits for contributing to a Roth IRA be eliminated in 2010 as well?

No, you still won’t be allowed to contribute to a Roth IRA if your income is above a certain level. But it will be easy for anyone to take a back door into a Roth.

For married taxpayers who file jointly, the right to contribute in 2010 to a Roth will phase out as income rises from $166,000 to $176,000. The amount taxpayers who or single or filing as head of household can contribute is phased out as AGI rises from $105,000 to $120,000.

But now that the restriction on converting has disappeared, the limit on contributions loses its sting. It’s perfectly legal to contribute to a nondeductible IRA (for which there are no income limitations) and immediately convert that amount to a Roth IRA.

Unfortunately, if you already have a traditional IRA, you can’t simply put $5,000 in a nondeductible IRA, say, and then move it tax-free to a Roth. The tax-free part of the conversion is based on the ratio of nondeductible deposits in all your traditional IRAs to the total balance in those accounts (contributions -- deductible or not -- and earnings). The rest of the conversion would be taxed.

My wife and I have traditional IRAs that we intend to convert to a Roth. We made the maximum contributions to them in 2009. Can we also make contributions to the IRAs for 2010 before we convert? My income is too high to qualify for Roth contributions.

You sure can. Even though there is still an income limit to contribute to a Roth IRA in 2010 -- your modified adjusted gross income must be less than $120,000 if single or $177,000 if married filing jointly -- the $100,000 income limit to be able to convert a traditional IRA to a Roth disappeared in 2010, giving everyone a back door into a Roth. You can now make your contributions to a traditional IRA and immediately convert them to a Roth IRA.

I haven't made IRA contributions over the past few years because I earned too much to contribute to a Roth and didn’t qualify to make tax-deductible contributions to a traditional IRA. Now I wish I would have contributed to a nondeductible IRA anyway so that I could have converted it to a Roth. Is there anything I can do to catch up?

You still have until April 15, 2010, to contribute up to $5,000 to an IRA for 2009 (or $6,000 if you’re 50 or older). You can also make your contributions for 2010, then convert the money to a Roth.

I am 68 with no earned income. Under the new law, can I convert a traditional IRA to a Roth and make contributions from investment income? If so, what are my limitations?

You don't need to have earned income to be able to convert a traditional IRA to a Roth. But you do need to have earned income to make new IRA contributions.

If you don't work but your spouse does, he or she can make IRA contributions on your behalf. If you and your spouse are both older than 50, you can each contribute up to $6,000 to an IRA in 2010 (although the total contributions cannot be more than your spouse's earned income). You both can contribute to a Roth as long as the adjusted gross income on your joint return is less than $177,000 in 2010 (the maximum contribution starts to phase out if you earn more than $167,000).

Roth withdrawals

If I'm older than 59 1/2 when I convert my traditional IRA to a Roth, will I be allowed to withdraw all of the money I convert right away without taxes or penalties?

Maybe. As soon as you convert, you can withdraw any part or all of the amount moved from a traditional IRA with no additional tax or penalty. (Remember, you pay tax on the converted amount when you make the switch, and because you're over 59 1/2, there’s no penalty.) If you withdraw any earnings from the Roth account before you meet the "five-year test," however, that amount will be taxed.

So, when do you pass the five-year test? If the conversion is your first venture into the world of Roth IRAs, you'll pass the five-year test for a 2009 conversion on January 1, 2014 -- the beginning of the fifth calendar year after the year of the conversion. However if you contributed to Roth earlier (or made an earlier conversion), the five-year clock for this test started running on January 1 of the year of that contribution. So you might not have to wait to get at tax-free earnings. If you opened a Roth in 2005 or earlier, for example, you've already passed the five-year test for purposes of tax-free earnings.

The IRS considers the first money out of a Roth IRA to be a return of contributions (tax- and penalty-free); next comes a return of converted amounts (always tax-free and penalty-free if you're at least 59 1/2 or the account passes the five-year test); after all such funds have been withdrawn, then any money that comes out is considered earnings, which are taxed if you aren't at least 59 1/2 and haven't met the five-year test.

If I'm older than 70 1/2 when I convert a traditional IRA to a Roth, can I avoid taking required minimum distributions on the account?

Yes, but not until the year following the conversion. Although RMDs are not required of the original owner of a Roth IRA, an RMD from a traditional account for the year of the conversion must be made prior to the switch. If you have money left in the Roth when you die, your heirs will be required to take RMDs from the account they inherit. On the bright side, that money will be tax-free to them.

Can you roll over a 401(k) directly to a Roth?

Yes. The tax law changed in 2008 to allow you to roll money directly into a Roth IRA from a 401(k), 403(b), 457 or other tax- qualified retirement plan. (Normally, you must wait to switch jobs or retire before you can move money out of your employer-based retirement account, but some plans permit in-service distributions to workers older than 59 1/2, allowing them to roll over some or all of their 401(k) money into an IRA.) Before the rule changed, you had to do a two-step maneuver: Roll over the 401(k) into a traditional IRA, then convert that account to a Roth.



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Reader Comments (43)

Posted by: Dan Burroughs at 01/20/2010 04:50:55 PM

I will be 70 1/2 in August. If I convert 100% of a traditional IRA to a ROTH before I reach that age I assume I will not be required to take an RMD. Is this correct? Since I will reach 70 1/2 in August, if I still have a traditional IRA at that time, in which tax year will I be required to take an RMD, 2010, or may I wait until 2011? Since the government gets its tax anyway, why is one required to take an RMD before converting to a ROTH?

Posted by: Eon at 01/20/2010 06:54:10 PM

I'm 59.5, an enlisted military retiree, and I currently work overseas as a contractor for one of our major defense companies. The company automatically deducts state taxes from my salary, and after I cross over the foreign earned income exclusion floor, then federal taxes are withheld. So here's my question: Am I eligible to open a Roth IRA? Folowing up on that, when my contract ends, my sole source of income is my monthly military retirement pay which is taxed at the federal level only (I pay the state portion when I file my taxes). Based on that income only, can I open a Roth?

Posted by: SMB at 01/21/2010 08:22:37 AM

If one converts to a Roth this year, 2010, is the tax on the converted amount not due in 2011 (half) and 2012 (half) as the above wording indicates? In the above article the wording is: "You report the first half of the conversion on your 2011 tax return (which you file in April 2012) and the balance on your 2012 return." Is this true? In this example you pay no tax on the conversion made in 2010 until 2012. Do you not have to pay tax on half the total amount in 2011, reported on your 2010 return??

Posted by: Steve at 01/21/2010 08:07:30 PM

Your article is the best of the many I have read on this conversion topic. Thanks!

Posted by: Gene Smith at 01/21/2010 08:26:47 PM

I currently have no income to pay into a Roth, but I have a 403b plan through my previous employer and am expecting to have some cash for investing after selling my house. Is it possible to invest this cash (not earned income) in my 403b plan and then still be able to roll it over into a Roth IRA?

Posted by: Kim Lankford at 01/21/2010 09:06:31 PM

SMB, this is Kim Lankford with an answer to your question about when you pay the taxes on the conversion. That is correct -- a special perk for converting in 2010 is that you can spread the bill over 2011 and 2012 -- so you won't have to pay the taxes on your 2010 return and have extra time to save up the money to pay the tax bill. You can still choose to pay the full bill with your 2010 taxes instead, which could be a good idea if your income is unusually low this year and you expect your tax rate to increase next year. But you're given the option either to pay the taxes on the conversion with your 2010 return, or divide it equally over your 2011 and 2012 returns instead.This rule is only in effect for one year; after that, you'll need to pay the taxes based on the year that you convert.

Posted by: Greg at 01/21/2010 10:13:03 PM

There are several Roth calculators out there to determine the effects of converting various amounts. Which one(s) do you favor? As always, the devil is in the assumptions. I am planning to leave our Roth's to our children, if all goes well, and do not need (hopefully) to withdraw money for personal use. It seems to me that converting 100% yields the biggest difference between the two unless the tax brackets get really upside down. Am I seeing this correctly?

Posted by: NDH - CPA at 01/22/2010 09:46:12 AM

NDH Group, Ltd. of Chicago recently released RothCalc2010 for the iPhone. RothCalc2010 will help you determine whether to convert your traditional IRA to a Roth today, you can find it at the Apple App Store.

Posted by: RJ at 01/22/2010 10:51:37 AM

Can I have more than one Roth conversion in 2010? Can I split the conversions to pay some in 2010 the full tax owed and the others use the 2011/2012 option? Thank you for your assistance

Posted by: Frank at 01/26/2010 10:48:33 AM

I would like to convert my wifes IRAs, which have no deductible contributions, to a Roth IRA. I have multiple IRAs with deductible contributions. Can we convert only my wife's IRAs to a Roth on a joint return without my IRAs affecting the tax due calculation?

Posted by: Matthew at 01/28/2010 05:19:45 PM

My wife and I are in our 20s and only have nondeductible IRAs. We are planning to make nondeductible contributions for 2009 and 2010 at the same time. Can I convert these new contributions along with my existing nondeductible IRAs to a Roth IRA immediately?

Posted by: Ken Bridgeman at 02/04/2010 04:17:37 PM

Both my wife and I have traditional IRA's we want to convert to separate Roth IRA's in 2010 to take advantage of the election for taxation in either 2010 for all the conversion or for the equal taxation in 2011 and 2012. For a single person that seems to be an either 2010 or a 2011/2012 choice. If one spouse wants to choose 2010 as the year of taxation for his converted funds, and the other spouse wants to choose 2011 and 2012 for equal taxation for his conversion, is that possible in a joint return?

Posted by: john f mynatt at 02/07/2010 10:26:22 PM

I HAVE A PREVIOUS 401K THAT WAS ROLLED INTO THREE SEPARATE REGULAR IRA'S AND I WANT TO ROLL ONE OF THESE TO A ROTH IRA. CAN I DO THIS WITHOUT COVERTING THE OTHER TWO IRA ACCOUNTS ---IALSO HAVE ONE OTHER ROTH ACCOUNT [$4000.00] WHICH WAS OPENED SEVERAL YEARS AGO. I AM 67 AND I EXPECT THE RETURN ON THE NEW PERPOSED ROTH TO BE IN EXCESS OF 50% PER YEAR FOR A MINIMUM OF 10 YEARS.I PLAN TO PAY TAXES OUTSIDE OF MONEYS FROM THE ORIGINAL IRA.

Posted by: Ed Jones at 02/07/2010 11:28:02 PM

I have just converted a substantial amount from my traditional IRA to a Roth. I plan to split the tax on this converted amount equally between my 2011 and 2012 returns. I'll definitely need to pay quarterly estimated taxes for both years, Am I correct in assuming that half of the taxes would have to be paid with the first quarterly payment of each year, half due on April 15, 2011 and half due on April 15, 2012, to avoid a penalty?

Posted by: Dale at 02/08/2010 09:12:40 AM

When you say deductible non-deductible IRA's where do you find that information? I go back many years and to look through each years returns would take a long time. Thanks

Posted by: kevin mccormally at 02/09/2010 10:26:38 PM

Kevin McCormally of Kiplinger here, with an answer for Dale who wonders how he's supposed to figure the deductible/non-deductible contributions to the traditional IRA...for purposes of figuring the taxable part of the conversion. The law requires that you file a Form 8606 every year that you make a nondeductible contribution...and the 8606 keeps a running tally of your nondeductible contributions. If you didn't do that, you'll need to go through your records to tote up the total.

Posted by: jeannette mickey at 02/10/2010 06:28:03 PM

Are you suppose to file Form 8606 even for Roth IRA contributions? I thought that only tax deductible contributions required a Form 8606. I'll have a lot of amended returns because the only IRA contribution we've been making for years is the Roth. We've had 401k or SEPs but that has been through employers.

Posted by: Tom B at 02/18/2010 06:19:17 PM

I've terminated employment. I would like to roll my after tax 401K balance over to a Roth account and my pre-tax 401K balance over to a regular IRA. Can I do this tax free? i.e. the after tax goes into the Roth tax free and is not taxable when withdrawals begin in 5 1/2 years and the pre-tax goes into a regular IRA and is taxed when withdrawn at age 59 1/2 IRS pub 590 and 2009-30 would appear to allow this but I hear that maybe I have to use the pro-rata rules on the entire 401K (which would be catastrophic).

Posted by: Prateeksha at 02/22/2010 02:37:22 AM

I would like to perform a Traditional to Roth IRA conversion, and treat the income as taxable for 2009. Does the April 15, 2010 deadline apply for conversions too, just like it does for contributions?

Posted by: bo at 02/24/2010 11:53:56 PM

My daughter was unemployed in 2009 and had no income. Can she convert her 401k to a rollover and then convert all or part to a roth and pay little or no conversion taxes???

Posted by: kevin mccormally at 02/25/2010 09:13:45 AM

Kevin McCormally of Kiplinger here with an answer for jeannette mickey who wonders if Form 8606 has to be filed each year you make a Roth IRA contribution. Heck no! No forms have to be filed for Roth contributions...in fact, they are not reported anywhere on your return. The 8606 is supposed to be filed each year you make a NON-deductible contribution to a traditional IRA...its the way you keep track of your "basis" in the account -- that is, the amount that can come out tax free when you start making withdrawals. But don't worry about filing amended returns and 8606s for past Roth contributions. The IRS doesn't want to hear about them.

Posted by: kevin mccormally at 02/25/2010 10:14:52 AM

Kevin McCormally of Kiplinger here with an answer for RJ who wonders if he converts more than one traditional IRA to a Roth, can he report the income from one conversion in 2010 and report income from other conversions in 2011 and 2012, effectively getting around the all-or-nothing rule for choosing between report in 2010 or spreading the tax over 2011 and 2012. Although the statute is less than clear on this point, I think the answer is no. Back in 1998, when Roth conversion income could be spread over four years, the IRS held that it was an all or nothing choice -- regardless of how many different accounts were converted. You had to either report all of the income in 1998 or spread it over four years. I think the same rule will apply here.

Posted by: kevin mccormally at 02/25/2010 10:16:15 AM

Kevin McCormally of Kiplinger here with an answer for Prateeksha who wonders if the April 15 filing deadline is also the deadline for making a Roth IRA conversion for 2009. Sorry, but the deadline for converting a Roth and reporting the income as 2009 income was December 31, 2009.

Posted by: Sharon at 03/01/2010 04:08:25 PM

If you are under 59 can you rollover some of your 401K into a Roth IRA without being taxed or penalized?

Posted by: Dan Danner at 03/06/2010 07:18:57 PM

Wounderful Article, Prior to reading the article I had submitted 3 questions on a prior article. All three were answered here. thank you

Posted by: william ryerse at 03/12/2010 11:21:43 AM

What are the tax rates on a Roth conversion?

Posted by: ssb at 03/16/2010 04:21:03 PM

My mother in law has a terminal illness. She has a $35k traditional IRA. We are planning to help her convert to a Roth for benefit of heirs. She currently pays no income tax because of low income level. But, the $35k conversion will cause her to have some taxable income Her tax deductions may offset a lot of the $35k to help lower the tax liability on the conversion. Will that work or does she have to pay taxes on the entire $35k no matter what her level of tax deductions? Also, if she passes away shortly after the conversion does that keep us from spreading out the tax liability in 2011 and 2012?

Posted by: Aliina at 03/19/2010 01:39:48 PM

We recently did a ROTH conversion. We live in New Mexico and are planning to move to Washington State. If we elect to pay the tax in 2011 & 2012 will we avoid state taxes all together on the conversion? If we elect to pay in 2010 will the tax be apportioned between New Mexico (3 mo) and Washington (9 mo)? Thanks for your help.

Posted by: Connie at 03/19/2010 02:20:08 PM

If I do a roth conversion in March 2010, is the conversion amount based on the February 2010 balance or the balance of the account on December 31, 2009?

Posted by: Stephen at 03/20/2010 05:57:15 PM

I have a SEP IRA, AND A SIMPLE IRA. I DO NOT QUALIFY TO MAKE TRADITIONAL IRA CONTRIBUTIONS. I AM WONDERING IF I CAN OPEN A NEW IRA AND MAKE A NON DEDUCTIBLE CONTRIBUTION THEN CONVERT THAT TO A ROTH IRA?

Posted by: Don Barsalou at 04/10/2010 07:42:02 PM

I opened a Roth IRA with a contribution in 2002 and made a conversion from my IRA account for the year 2009. I will also be making a conversion from my IRA in 2010. My understanding since I am 67 years old this year, is that I can make withdrawals from my Roth account without any additional taxes or penalties since I have and will have paid the taxes based on my conversions. Are my assumptions correct?

Posted by: WES JONES at 04/13/2010 05:08:49 PM

WE ARE BOTH OVER 70 1/2 AND HAVE STARTED RMD S FROM TRADITIONAL IRA S. IF WE CONVERT TO ROTH IRA S, ARE WE BOUND BY THE 5 YEAR TEST OR CAN WE JUST CONTINUE OUR DISTRIBUTIONS FROM THE NEW ROTH IRA S AS WE SEE FIT? THANK YOU.

Posted by: RUSSELL MYERS at 04/16/2010 12:42:05 PM

MY WIFE AND I ARE PLANNING TO CONVERT OUR TRADITIONAL IRAS TO ROTH THIS YEAR. CAN I MAKE A CONVERISON AND PAY TAXES ON MY 2010 TAX RETURN AND CAN MY WIFE MAKE A CONVERSION AND PAY TAXES 50/50 ON OUR 2011 AND 2012 TAX RETURNS. WE FILE JOINTLY...THANKS

Posted by: Sara at 04/19/2010 08:57:11 AM

If a husband and wife each convert a portion of their IRA in 2010, do both need to either (1) recognize the income in 2010 or split 2011/2012 or (2) can a husband elect one method and a wife another?

Posted by: Sheila at 04/21/2010 04:18:31 PM

My husband and I have non-deductible traditional IRA accounts that have balances less than what we have contributed. If we convert these to Roth IRAs, will we owe any taxes?

Posted by: C. Westerly at 04/27/2010 09:11:33 AM

Can the funds from partial conversion of a conventional IRA be moved directly into an existing ROTH IRA? Or must I open another ROTH IRA in order to complete the conversion? C. Westerly Atlanta

Posted by: Lynn at 04/28/2010 09:46:33 PM

Kim, I have a 403B from my previous employer which I am now retired from after 19 years. I will be 62 in December and am looking for ways to improve the performance of these funds? The funds are currently with Fidelity and the person who was my advisor is no longer in the business. Therefore, I am in the process of searching out a new advisor. Any advice on the transfer of the 403B to better performance and some tips on locating a new investment guru would be greatly appreciated. Thanks, Lynn

Posted by: mike at 05/15/2010 10:22:22 AM

if one converts to a roth and is under 59.5 is the 10% penalty waived?

Posted by: Jay at 06/21/2010 06:41:41 PM

I made too much income to covert prior to 2010, and now there are no income limitations in 2010. However what if I decided to convert in 2011 or later? Will there still be no income limitations or is this a one time shot in 2010?

Posted by: clydewolf at 07/19/2010 12:15:45 PM

Jay, By now you most likely have the answer to your question. (But) the income limit for ROTH IRA Conversions is removed forever - or until Congress changes the law.

Posted by: clydewolf at 07/19/2010 12:25:13 PM

Mike, I assume you have received an answer to your question by now. But in case you have not... You do not pay a 10% penalty for doing a ROTH IRA Conversion. Your retirement savings is still in an IRA, but after the Conversion it will be a ROTH IRA. If you do this with the same IRA custodian as you have with your Traditioal IRA, the process is simple. If you are changing IRA custodians, talk with the new custodian and they will guide you through the process. It is best if you do a Trustee to Trustee Transfer when you are changing custodians. If you were to take the cash yourself, you have 60 days to complete your ROTH Conversion. After the 60 days this would be considered a distribution from your TIRA, and if you are under 59.5 years of age, the 10% penalty would apply.

Posted by: tim howard at 08/03/2010 01:05:36 AM

I will be 59 in March 201I ,I have a rollover IRA from a previous 401k in which I have been taking monthly distributions.. I do not pay the 10 percent penalty due to reg 72t. I would like to convert part of my rollover into a Roth IRA and the use the proceeds for a down payment on a home (not my first but will be primary residence) My question is.... how soon can I withdraw the funds from the Roth to pay the down payment on the house without incurring any penalties other than the income tax ..Thanks

Posted by: E. Levine at 08/15/2010 10:39:45 PM

I just read your response dated 7/19/2010 to a question from a 66 year old reader concerning withdrawing CD interests from a converted Roth IRA from a 401(k)/Rollover IRA, which referred to the ordering rule. The problem is the so called 'converted amount.' Isn't any conversion from a 401(k) to Roth all contribution, as taxes have been paid on the entire 401(k), so that there is reallly no converted amount? So the five year rule applies to only the growth of the original converted amount for a new Roth account? If so, then any one can withdraw at any age from a conversion Roth up to the original contribution at the time of conversion before tax and penalty would apply? I do not see that the ordering rule can refer back to the old 401(k) contribution v. gain differentiation for a Roth converison account. I do see that the 5-year and the ordering rules applying to a regular Roth account with regular annual contribution. Please clarify.




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